Alice in Wonderland, In Gregg, 1943?

[Deb]

Alice in Wonderland, by Lewis Carroll, library stamp is 1943, but book looks older. ??
www.archive.org/details/aliceinwonderlan00carriala

[Deb]

At Gutenberg for the "transcript"
www.gutenberg.org/etext/11

[pauljames]

I have a paperback and hardback version of this book. The shorthand outlines are the same for both versions. There was only a pre-Anniversary version of the text created by Georgie Gregg Gingall. It would have been a big undertaking to re-write it in Anniversary. The hardback was issued pre-Anniversary and has small print. That is the one scanned by the libraries available online. The green paperback was issued with larger printer in the 40's, but it still had Georgie Gregg Gingall's pre-Anniversary shorthand. Winafred Kenna-Richmond did all of the Anniversary versions of the 11 Gregg novels and short stories. Here Gregg writing is much easier to read than the pre-Anniversary versions, mostly written by others.

[pauljames]

The hardback Pre-Anniversary Alice In Wonderland was published in April 1919. The paperback version was published in May 1931. The revised paperback used the Shorthand Plates from the 1919 edition with a few revisions on every page to conform to Anniversary Shorthand. The page/line endings and photo placements were the same for both editions.

[pauljames]

There is a common misconception that the April 1919 Gregg edition of Alice in Wonderland was published in April 1915. That mistake was made because an incorrect Printers Code (D83) for April 1915 appeared on the copyright page of every copy until May 1926. This book definitely came out in April 1919. The Shorthand matches the 1916 Gregg Shorthand Manual, not the 1902 Gregg Shorthand Manual. Also, the Gregg Publishing Boston office is listed in every copy, and that office did not open until March 1919. There is also a pile of evidence to support the 1919 first publication date.

[Deb]

PaulJames, thank you for that information! That is wonderful to know.

[gsmember]

I got a hardback copy on eBay not too long ago and it's got the incorrect printer's Code D83 in it but it's got no copyright date. Is this a 1919 copy? Or....how would we know?

[Deb]

gsmember,

Cool find!


curious I googled it and came to the Google ebook version and it talked about the D83. It said

"every edition with printer's code "D83" lists the Boston Gregg Publishing Company Office on the title page. The Boston Office did not open until 1919. Also, the Shorthand in the "D83" edition matches the Shorthand found in the June 1916 revised Gregg Shorthand Manual, not the 1902 Gregg Shorthand Manual."

To verify yours, see who published it. I'm guessing it is the Boston Gregg Publishing Company..

link:
archive.org/details/AliceInWonderland-PrintedInGreggShorthand-AnniversaryEdition

[pauljames2]

There are only 2 editions:
—The hardback is always the 1919 edition (matching the 1916 pre-Anniversary Manual).
—The paperback is always the 1931 edition (matching the 1929 Anniversary Manual).

Each edition has a second print run with identical shorthand plates.

Here is a list of all print runs:
—D83 Hardback. 1919 edition. (The D83 printers’ code was an error. It should have been D82. D83 was for 1915 Gregg books. D82 was for 1919 Gregg books. This edition was clearly first published in 1919. )
—E-59 Hardback. May 1926 press run of 1919 edition with identical shorthand plates. Very rare.

—E-78 Paperback. May 1931 edition with modified shorthand plates for Anniversary.
—May 1942. 1942 press run of 1931 edition with identical shorthand plates. Very rare.

[pauljames2]

The book was not published by the Boston office. There were 5 Gregg offices in existence when the 1919 edition was published. The Boston office opened in 1919, which is one piece of evidence that this book was published in 1919 (not 1915). The Boston office is listed on the title page with 4 other offices.

The Gregg Publishing Company opened the Chicago office in 1896. As the business grew, other offices were added. I’m not sure which office actually was responsible for publishing the books. The addition (and occasional subtraction) of Gregg offices continued until McGraw Hill bought Gregg Publishing in 1949.

Looking at the offices listed on the title page can help to determine when a particular Gregg book was printed. This is because we know when these offices opened or closed.

Here is a list of the Gregg offices and when they opened or closed:
—Chicago - 1896
—New York - 1908
—San Francisco - 1912
—Liverpool - 1913 (closed 1920)
—Boston - 1919
—London - 1920
—Toronto - 1927
—Sydney - 1931 (Closed in 1942 during the war)
—Dallas - 1944

[Deb]

For those who, like me, want to read the shorthand version and listen to it, librovox has several (read by regular people, non professionals). I'm not sure which ones would go with this book, maybe someone might know.

librivox.org/search?q=alice%20in%20wonderland&search_form=advanced

[Deb]

Also, Amazon Kindle has a free print version for prime members.